Comments on: Perhaps It Is Time to Consider Change http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/ "We knew the job was dangerous when we took it." Wed, 23 May 2012 01:44:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Thinking Cap http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/comment-page-1/#comment-569 Thinking Cap Wed, 14 May 2008 13:39:34 +0000 http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/#comment-569 Springer, I think the scenario would actually help the likes of Senators Serville and James, both serving their second terms. Can you imagine if we had to deal with them until December 2010/January 2011? They would have plenty of time to "correct", or should I say overshadow, their votes for Act 6905. I'm curious to see what the Constitutional Convention has come up with. Springer, I think the scenario would actually help the likes of Senators Serville and James, both serving their second terms. Can you imagine if we had to deal with them until December 2010/January 2011? They would have plenty of time to “correct”, or should I say overshadow, their votes for Act 6905. I’m curious to see what the Constitutional Convention has come up with.

]]> By: Concerned Citizen http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/comment-page-1/#comment-501 Concerned Citizen Fri, 09 May 2008 23:58:02 +0000 http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/#comment-501 Yes, Cintron/Hansen/Springer, or whatever the hell your name is) I am committed to the traditional and familiar path of hard work and education. You however, (Mr. SpringHanTron) seem to happily ensconced with the patronizing, sarcastic and stagnant shortcut approach to politics in the VI. Yes, Cintron/Hansen/Springer, or whatever the hell your name is) I am committed to the traditional and familiar path of hard work and education.

You however, (Mr. SpringHanTron) seem to happily ensconced with the patronizing, sarcastic and stagnant shortcut approach to politics in the VI.

]]> By: O. Cintron http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/comment-page-1/#comment-500 O. Cintron Fri, 09 May 2008 21:05:47 +0000 http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/#comment-500 oh yes, that's ccitizen. the point is the same. oh yes, that’s ccitizen.
the point is the same.

]]> By: O. Cintron http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/comment-page-1/#comment-499 O. Cintron Fri, 09 May 2008 21:03:35 +0000 http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/#comment-499 Ah CCrucian, Patronizing, sarcastic, traditional, stagnant - passionately committed to the old ways and comfortable only with the familiar. Exactly what I'd expect from one who quotes Mz. Clinton as wisdom. We'll let the voters decide. Ah CCrucian,
Patronizing, sarcastic, traditional, stagnant – passionately committed to the old ways and comfortable only with the familiar.
Exactly what I’d expect from one who quotes Mz. Clinton as wisdom.
We’ll let the voters decide.

]]> By: CCitizen http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/comment-page-1/#comment-498 CCitizen Fri, 09 May 2008 19:17:16 +0000 http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/#comment-498 Its curious, both of you (Hansen/Cintron) seem to have the same writing style. Nonetheless, I'll put in terms you both can understand. You can't apply for a position at Hovensa and explain to them that; "You know Mr. Human Resources, I'm not really qualified for this job, nor do I have any practical experience as a Chemical Engineer, but if you give me two years, I'll try to learn and understand as much as I can." No. The correct path would be to go to school, get a CE degree, then apply for the Hovensa job once you have a fundamental understanding of the job you're expected to perform. The Senate is not the place to seek OJT. That's why most of the "freshmen" senators get chewed up, manipulated or kicked out. Good intentions are not a survial skill recognized by a politician. My advice to both of you is to campaign for a qualified, properly educated candidate who can hit the ground running from day one...to borrow a phrase from HRC. Its curious, both of you (Hansen/Cintron) seem to have the same writing style. Nonetheless, I’ll put in terms you both can understand.

You can’t apply for a position at Hovensa and explain to them that;

“You know Mr. Human Resources, I’m not really qualified for this job, nor do I have any practical experience as a Chemical Engineer, but if you give me two years, I’ll try to learn and understand as much as I can.”

No. The correct path would be to go to school, get a CE degree, then apply for the Hovensa job once you have a fundamental understanding of the job you’re expected to perform.

The Senate is not the place to seek OJT. That’s why most of the “freshmen” senators get chewed up, manipulated or kicked out. Good intentions are not a survial skill recognized by a politician.

My advice to both of you is to campaign for a qualified, properly educated candidate who can hit the ground running from day one…to borrow a phrase from HRC.

]]> By: E. Hansen. http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/comment-page-1/#comment-495 E. Hansen. Fri, 09 May 2008 12:53:58 +0000 http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/#comment-495 Yes I must concur with you Cintron, that definitely clarifies Mr. Springer editorial....I must say Mr. Springer always took a stance on issues that have affected this territory particularly St. Croix when our elected officials have chosen not to. If “Concern Citizen” is please with the status quo as it relates to the misrepresentation in which he or she is receiving…well let them continue to elect the misleaders that are within the Senate. Yes I must concur with you Cintron, that definitely clarifies Mr. Springer editorial….I must say Mr. Springer always took a stance on issues that have affected this territory particularly St. Croix when our elected officials have chosen not to. If “Concern Citizen” is please with the status quo as it relates to the misrepresentation in which he or she is receiving…well let them continue to elect the misleaders that are within the Senate.

]]> By: O. Cintron http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/comment-page-1/#comment-491 O. Cintron Thu, 08 May 2008 16:25:32 +0000 http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/#comment-491 note - word in first sentence should be "conclusion." sorry for the typo. note – word in first sentence should be “conclusion.” sorry for the typo.

]]> By: O. Cintron http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/comment-page-1/#comment-490 O. Cintron Thu, 08 May 2008 16:23:34 +0000 http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/#comment-490 Concerned Citizen - interesting comment. However, my conclusiion after reading this article is significantly different from yours. The concept outlined here offers the electorate an opportunity to evalute an individual's effectiveness based on the progress made toward objectives during the first two years in office. Based on that evaluation, which can now be made based on reality rather than campaign rhetoric, the voters can choose to return the individual to the legislature with a four-year endorsement to continue with those initiaves begun in the "freshman" term. Or, they can choose not to return the individual to the governing body, based on this same evaluation. And actually, rather than causing the electorate to "wait around twiddling our thumbs for two years," this approach really raises the bar for the new Senator to show his or her ability to gain real momentum on those initiatives that were prominent in their campaign, while also negotiating through the protocols that operate in this most intriguing Legislative body, in this intitial two-year term. It adds the opportuity for stability and the chance to implement some longer term, more realistic approaches to the problems facing the territories than the current system allows. Frankly, it also adds to the urgency for the new person to get their act together sooner than later. I would venture to say to no sitting Senator knew how to negotiate the ropes of the Legislature in his or her first term so I'm not sure why you present that as a negative activity in this proposal. Furthermore, the "degree" comment is one that holds little water as I seem to recall that some "degrees" of questionable authenticity are held in the Legislative body at this time. The ability to separate the merits of a concept from the concept's creator is essential in the rational evaluation of a new idea. Perhaps you should step back and evaluate the proposal in the light that it is presented, rather than in your view of the light of the presenter. Just my thoughts...... Concerned Citizen – interesting comment. However, my conclusiion after reading this article is significantly different from yours.
The concept outlined here offers the electorate an opportunity to evalute an individual’s effectiveness based on the progress made toward objectives during the first two years in office. Based on that evaluation, which can now be made based on reality rather than campaign rhetoric, the voters can choose to return the individual to the legislature with a four-year endorsement to continue with those initiaves begun in the “freshman” term. Or, they can choose not to return the individual to the governing body, based on this same evaluation.
And actually, rather than causing the electorate to “wait around twiddling our thumbs for two years,” this approach really raises the bar for the new Senator to show his or her ability to gain real momentum on those initiatives that were prominent in their campaign, while also negotiating through the protocols that operate in this most intriguing Legislative body, in this intitial two-year term.
It adds the opportuity for stability and the chance to implement some longer term, more realistic approaches to the problems facing the territories than the current system allows.
Frankly, it also adds to the urgency for the new person to get their act together sooner than later.
I would venture to say to no sitting Senator knew how to negotiate the ropes of the Legislature in his or her first term so I’m not sure why you present that as a negative activity in this proposal. Furthermore, the “degree” comment is one that holds little water as I seem to recall that some “degrees” of questionable authenticity are held in the Legislative body at this time.
The ability to separate the merits of a concept from the concept’s creator is essential in the rational evaluation of a new idea. Perhaps you should step back and evaluate the proposal in the light that it is presented, rather than in your view of the light of the presenter.
Just my thoughts……

]]> By: Concerned Citizen http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/comment-page-1/#comment-488 Concerned Citizen Thu, 08 May 2008 14:58:31 +0000 http://cruciansinfocus.com/2008/05/07/perhaps-it-is-time-to-consider-change/#comment-488 Reading Mr. Springer's editorial, he seems to be suggesting that voters look beyond a "freshman" senators' inexperience and qualifications and hope that they somehow divine how to become an effective politician over the course of six years. Is this guy serious? So the people are suppose to wait around twiddling our thumbs for two years, while your figure out legislative procedure? Tell you what Mr. Springer, rather than rolling the dice for two years hoping that you understand the difference between protocol and procedure, you could spend that time in school getting a degree that qualifies you to be an effective politician. Reading Mr. Springer’s editorial, he seems to be suggesting that voters look beyond a “freshman” senators’ inexperience and qualifications and hope that they somehow divine how to become an effective politician over the course of six years. Is this guy serious?

So the people are suppose to wait around twiddling our thumbs for two years, while your figure out legislative procedure? Tell you what Mr. Springer, rather than rolling the dice for two years hoping that you understand the difference between protocol and procedure, you could spend that time in school getting a degree that qualifies you to be an effective politician.

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